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i forgot to do with weather forecast. >> thank you, hallie jackson. i'm david gura, ali velshi and stephanie ruhle are off. let's get started. what would it take for the president to flip on flynn? >> the team, according to the response as national security adviser michael flynn accuses aides of wrongdoing. >> they want to clear the court of wrongdoing. >> flynn's brother quoted, mr. president, i believe it's due to that. >> he's defending the administration's diplomacy saying he's proud of work that's done. >> tillerson writes about the rights against russia. we recognize the need to work with russia where mutual
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interest s intercept. >> if you can afford them, pay him. >> i have never seen the turnout for this type of event. so it's unprecedented. >> the ongoing confusion created by the new tax law. this morning, the irs is out with new advice for you. >> it may not pay off for you to be waiting in line to pay off your property taxes. >> some homeowners who go ahead and pay all of those 2018 property tax deductions could face an audit. >> well, the president's legal team may be preparing to go after one of his closest allies on the campaign trail. as "the washington post" reports they plan to cast michael t. flynn as a liar as seeming to protect himselfful he accusing president aide s of wrongdoing. trump has been nothing but
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supportive for his ousted national security adviser asking them to praise flynn even after his exit from the administration. >> michael flynn, general flynn say wonderful man. i think he's been treated very, very unfairly by the media. i think it's very, very unfair what's happened to general flynn. the way he was treated. and the documents and papers that were illegally, i stress that, illegally leaked. >> i do feel badly for him. he served the country. he was a general. his man has served for many years. he's a general. he's in my opinion a very good person. >> well, i feel badly for general flynn. i feel very badly. he's led a very strong life. >> about michael flynn, would you consider a pardon for michael flynn? >> i don't want to talk about pardons for michael flynn yet. we'll see what happens. let's see. >> seizing on that last point, flynn's brother joseph tweeted at the president on tuesday, quote, i personally believe that a pardon is due to general flynn
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given the apparent and obvious illegitimate macy of the manner in which the so-called crimes he pleaded guilty to were extracted from him. "the washington post" says, quote, he said it himself, he's a liar. the president's outside council responded to "the washington post" report telling nbc news,s, quote, complete nonsense and more fake news. meanwhile, yahoo! news reports, they're collecting thousands of e-mails. joining us, julia ainsley. and dan in sa vny cevallos. what have we heard from the white house about concerns about what happened early in december? >> so, david, of course what we're hearing publicly from the white house and then what is going on behind closed doors which is part of this report. we know from the report that they seem to be pretty nervous about what flynn could say. and we've even seen a change
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publicly. if you think about all of those clips that you just showed where they're praising michael flynn. what has changed since then is flynn has entered a guilty plea because of mueller's investigation. since then, it's even changed a little bit publicly. i'm thinking back to the vice president pence interview with cbs where he started to say, well, flynn lied to me, flynn did this. they're already painting him as a liar, because they want to discredit anything that he could say in this investigation to say, look, we couldn't trust him then how could anyone trust him now. not that they think this will play out necessarily in their favor in federal court, what they're saying publicly shouldn't influence a jury. but it could influence the way congress and the public see michael flynn and anything that he may provide. >> danny cevallos, let me ask you about the piece this morning. impugning or questioning what michael flynn may or anyway not say.
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when you look at the playbook, where does this fit in? >> they're considering it? of course, they're considering it. there's a cooperating witness or sometimes called snitches to background them and find out everything you can about them, including especially with a cooperating witness, two major things in flynn's case. first, the fact that he's entered into an agreement. the extent of the agreement. what he expects in return for his testimony and the incentive he has to embellish and impress his captain toors which are the attorneys. but then you have the underlying crime. and the underlying crime is lie to get federal government. and that's exactly what the government is possibly going to turn around and ask a jury, oh, believe this witness, except for the fact that the only way we have contact with him is he lied to us. so, yes, this is standard operating procedure with any
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witness, you point out to the jury, especially in flynn's case, this man is a liar. he told you he's a liar. he's here singing for his supper. he knows that the u.s. attorneys are evaluating what he says, and if they don't like what they hear, he ain't going to get the benefits of his bargain. >> danny cevallos, help us understand the utility of this witness. there's a lot of what we might or might not say here. it's one thing if you're going to put a person on the stand or another thing if you ask them to corroborate so far. >> there are two kinds of witnesses, federal governments love cooperating witness, the nature of the work requires that you use them frequently but you might have an historical cooperating witness who gives you information about what he or she did in the past. but you also may have a corroborating cooperating witness, these kinds of witne witnesswitnes
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witnesses might try to generate information or wear a wire. it would be an awkward phone call if flynn had picked up the phone and said, hey, president trump, do you remember that time when you told me, "a," "b," and "c"? i think most of us would get suspicious and wonder if that phone call was being recorded. in this case, it's not likely, but that's very standard for federal prosecutors to use witnesses. and it's very standard for someone like me to get up and call them liars. >> i just want to quote from the piece in yahoo! news, he wrote, in just the last few weeks, his prosecutors have begun questioning republican national committee staffers that worked with the voters in key swing states. you look at how that focus of that data operation was run during the campaign. how big of a focus is that for
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you? >> to connect the dots here, david, we know that jared kushner, president trump's son-in-law was the manager of the digital campaign operations. and at the same time, we know that there was targeting going on both by the campaign which would be logical and by russian-backed propaganda. the box that we saw on social media that mattered in key states and elections. what they want to find out on the hill and robert mueller's investigation is whether or not those two sides spoke to one another, because at the heart of that would be collusion. >> help me understand this, in the piece, she writes, white house advisers did not plead guilty to being a co-conspirator in a scheme. how much of a focus is that econom implicating him of that?
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>> we should not presume that that means that's the end of the charges. it is possible that mueller's team, that saall they had on general flynn. on the other hand, more charges might be coming down the pike. however, mueller's team didn't want to signal or let other potential co-defendants know that the charges are coming so they're holding off on the charges. so, without knowing exactly what's until store for flynn, it's hard to project what other potential co-defendants or co-conspirators may expect. it may be with all of this investigation the only thing they ever had on flynn was section 1001. or there may be potentially co-conspirators out there. on the other hand, but we cannot define that from flynn's plea alone. >> thank you, danny, and julie, here with me in new york. next, roy moore will not accept defeat. why he says the alabama special
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election should not count but does the complaint carry any weight? and we're also looking at the 2018 midterm elections. what republicans need to do to flip the house. and the new ap poll asked americans what the government should address in the new year. health care was the number one response. taxes, immigration, environment, and education all landed in the top five. stay with us, you're watching "velshi & ruhle" right here on msnbc. they helped with homeowners, too! ok! plus motorcycle, boat and rv insurance! geico's got you covered! like a blanket! houston? you seeing this? geico. expect great savings and a whole lot more.
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♪ roy moore, alabama's first republican to lose a senate race in decades is still not giving. after losing by 20,000 vote it's moore has filed a last-minute complaint in court to block democrat doug jones who officially will be certified a winner today. the complaints alleges the election fraud altered the outcome of the election.
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but seeing no irregularities or inconsistency told the associated press he will not delay the proceedings. that landmark win in alabama is energizing democrat s across th country in midterm elections. they're looking at possibly a win in retaking control of congress. to win 24 races to outnumber the republicans in the senate. a total of ten seats up for grabs in states considered trump country. in five of those states, trump won double digits gut in arizona and alabama. and to what to watch, let's bring in vivian and eugene scott. let me ask you about the 1023 challenge last night. how long do you think this has been prolonged?
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>> it seems like a clear cut victory. it was not a massive victory. even president trump himself came out and recognized that roy moore did in fact lose the race a couple weeks ago. so, it seems that a lot of the party is moving on. of course, a lot of the mainstream republicans here in the house and senate in washington were trying to distance themselves from roy moore in the beginning. so, for them, they're very much willing to move on from this race. however there is an element of the republican base, you know, including steve bannon, the former adviser to president trump who are very much backing roy moore, despite the sexual allegations against him. and saying that he is the rightful winner. of course, that race, as viewers may remember, was a really stunning defeat for roy moore and the republican party. alabama being a very decisively red state. and to have a democrat win was
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obviously a very shocking defeat for them. and so there's been a lot of soul searching for the party ever since that defeat. >> eugene scott, i'd like to ask you about the substance of the complaint. it's not short. but i look at what's alleged here. the opponent spread lies and fraud. and voter intimidation, and then high turnout. i can't but help raise an e eyebr eyebrow, what do you make of that that the turnout was untoward? >> well, it seems like coded language. some of the things he said about his campaign about people of color. he targets jeffson county. it's the most populous county in the state of alabama and then represented by a new black mayor and over 70% black. and we know that one of the reasons that roy moore lost his race was because high voter
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turnout among black voters. he's suggesting also that there perhaps were some buses brought over from mississippi for people to vote illegally in some of the counties that are primarily populated by black voters. all of this has been going on on the internet. in some of the darker places where we see conspiracy he theorists and some the experts that moore points to for his experts are known to spread conspiracy theories as well. all of this bodes poorly for them as a whole to move past this for roy moore. >> both of these parties are going to look ahead to future races. let me ask you about politico wrote about the top two races to watch for 2018. quote, the battle for the house is a district for district affair scattered across for trends that dominate the battleground races for the next
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year. republican growing problem and outbreak of sexual allegations roiling more and more campaigns each week. you look at the races, illinois, utah, california and a handful of other states here. what is the democratic approach going to to be for the races? you see the enthusiasm in the races that haven't invested all that much in the past. do the resources match that influence? >> it's getting there but, you know, grassroots has been a major factor for the democratic party, dating back to the obama races where that was a very successful formula for them. and they really kind of fell back in the general elections in 2016, where the initial obama model of grassroot outreach voters started to fade away. however, you also have a very unpopular tax bill that the president just signed that will go into effect next year. and i think that that is going to be a major determining factor
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in the 2018 race, to see when people -- the party right now, the republican party keeps on assuring people that once they start seeing those tax cuts reflected in their paychecks next year, they're going to feel differently about that. but if those tax cuts don't really deliver, if people don't see massive change in the amounts of money that they take home every single month. or if money is added to other area and they're forced to pay in other respects, that is obviously going to give the democrats a boost as well. and so, there are a couple of factors that can kind of, by default, democrats can build on momentum from the republican party, just being the ruling party at the moment. they can really make a lot of gains as well. again, like you said, they only need 24 seats in the house. and two in the senate to flip -- to flip congress. and so, and that has typically happened in midterm elections. the president's party tends to
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lose on average about 32 seats in the senate. and the house, and two seats in the senate. and so history's actually working in their favor tremendously at this point. they just need to build on that momentum. >> eugene, i want to ask you about public introspection. we heard from charlie dents from pennsylvania talking about the future of the republican party. let's take a listen to what he had to say. >> we have to do a better job reaching out to less traditional constituencies for our party. we just haven't done as good a job with it. the under-50 crowd, we have to do a better job with it. reince priebus reaching out to other minority groups. >> help me with the definition of we there. we have to reach out.
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does the republican party know who we is yet? >> i would imagine the representative was referencing the republican national committee considering that was the organization well wear of this issue in 2012 after mitt romney's defeat. what has happened for the republican national committee, after taking self-reflection and inventory of how they were perceived by minullennials, bla voters, and they went behind donald trump, someone who has enjoying very low approval ratings amongst those demographics. so it's not really clear how they're going to get past the p perception that they don't have the best idea in mind when they did not back the voters in 2016 and 2017 with donald trump. >> eugene, thank you for your time. vivian, as well.
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there's talk that secretary of state rex tillerson could be on his way out but in a new op-ed, he said he's proud of u.s. diplomacy and his take on russia. the american relations at least one country has improved this year. israel's transportation minister wants to name a train station after president trump. and the intelligence minister wants to honor trump for his, quote, brave and historic decision to recognize jerusalem as israel's capital. stay with us, you're watching "velshi & ruhle" right here on msnbc. am totally blind. am totally blind. and non-24 can throw my days and nights out of sync, keeping me from the things i love to do. talk to your doctor, and call 844-214-2424.
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♪ welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." i'm david gura. here are the top stories we're watching starting with new updates in the russia investigation. "the washington post" reports president trump's legal team could be preparing to attack the former national security adviser depending on what he says to investigators. and ya hoo news reports the digital voting in key states. and isis claims responsibility for a suicide attack in afghanistan's capital of kabul, leaving 44 dead and 44 wounded including children. and marking the 30th anniversary of explosion in afghanistan.
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klechina has reportedly violated sanctions. and chinese ships allegedly selling to vessels. and sanctioning several chinese companies and vessels. president trump just moments ago posting this on twitter. caught red-handed. very disappointed that china is allowing oil to go into north korea. there will never be a friendly solution to the north korea problem if this continues to happen. the fda is trying to fast-track approval for a generic cancer drug after the price of a name brand prescription spiked 1400%, according to "the wall street journal." that drug was formerly sold by brist bristol myer squibb. a winter storm watch in effect for much the great lakes region.
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erie, pennsylvania could see 16 more inches on top of the 65 inches it's already had since christmas eve. that is nearly seven feet of snow. michigan is expecting up to 11 inches in the coming day. amid the reports of turmoil in the state department, secretary of state rex tillerson wrote an op-ed in "the new york times" entitled "i am proud of our zmrdiplomacy." it's offering tillerson's conflicts around the word. he touches on china, russia and iran on victories against isis. writing quote, we are giving our people more opportunities to flourish professionally and spend more time dedicating their careers to problems they've solved. joining us, instrumental in developing sanctions again iran. let me start with the piece and just get your reaction to it and
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the timing of it as well over the last couple weeks. the focus when you look at the administration's foreign policy agenda has been much more focused than nikki haley. what do you make of secretary tillerson asserting himself in this way? >> well, thanks for having me on, david. i think this op-ed is clearly an effort to defend a legacy of a first year that has been the subject of a lot of criticism by both democrats and republicans. tillerson is saying, look, we have accomplished signature wins and building a foundation for the future. of course, as you say, there's a lot of speculation, he may be on his way out so, perhaps this is a bit of a way to create his tenure at stake. >> peter, there's been focus on what secretary of state rex tillerson is doing or intends to do with the state department. i want to read another excerpt in the "times." quote, our redesign doesn't
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involve simply shifting boxes on an organizational chart. our changes apply to infish y s inefficiencies and frustrations. did you see the inefficiencies and frustrations at the state department. and how much do you know of the plan that secretary tillerson has to change things? >> i actually spent about six months when i was at state working at an effort that president clinton realized. and it didn't accomplish as much as i hoped it would. look, it's clear that the state department could use reforms. there are a bunch of inefficiencies within the department there's a need to bring in midlevel professionals. but i'm not sure tillerson has gain about this in an effective way. to change a 40,000 people bureaucracy, you need a lot of buy-in by people in the department. by focusing on major cuts, lobbying 30% to the budget, and
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blocking a lot of promotions by career officers i think he's really not generated the kind of goodwill, he'd need for the reforms to be successful. >> peter, i want to turn for china and its relationship with north korea. certainly front and center. the president saying this is the biggest national security issue we face. caught red-handed, very disappointed that china is allowing oil to go into north korea. there will never be a friendly solution if this continues to happen. i'll add, a door remains open, rex tillerson writes, but we have made it clear that it goes back to the table. you intimately know his pressure. you were charged with working on sanctions of north korea, and we've seen more here. how effective is that track, the diplomatic track, and what would diplomacy look like if we were able to walk through that door and re-engage with the north korean regime?
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>> i actually give secretary tillerson and ambassador at the united nations a significant amount 6 credit for galvanizing north korea for the pressure. and the trump administration has shown it's willing to sanction chinese companies including fairly large chinese companies when they continue trading with north korea. and i think you talked to people who visited with north korea recently, you're beginning to see some effect of that pressure, in terms of economic deterioration. in pyongyang. i think the challenge the trump administration has is that it's going to take a couple of years before that pressure really, really begins to bite the top of -- the top of the regime in pyongyang. and i don't think we have that much time. on the nuke fronclear front, i u see the nuclear tests that kim jong-un has succeeded in accomplishing. i think his nuclear time line may be shorter than our pressure
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time line. again, i see the pressure's success. but the time line may be a little too long. and that puts the onus on the trump organization to come up with creative thinking here. >> peter, you mentioned the circumstances surrounding secretary of state rex tillerson within the organization. "the wall street journal" citing a report by the brookings institution about turnover at the senior levels of trump administration. 34% of them have turned over in the first year of his term. well aware of what the second was. ronald reagan, 17% during his first year. just asking what we see in this op-ed, do we see the contours of a tillerson doctrine? and do you think we'll get to a second year as a rex tillerson as secretary of state, and are we going to get a more fledged-out tillerson document? >> certainly, the speculation is right that tillerson is on his way out. we saw a couple weeks ago an effort by white house insiders
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trying to push him out. i think there are a number of people at the white house that would like to replace him with former cia director mike pompeo. i think tillerson say frighter. i think he wants to stick it out another couple of months or a year to kind of build on the first year and see if he can notch a couple of wins. i don't know, i haven't talked to him about but i wouldn't be surprised if we see him continue fighting for at least a few months to come. >> peter, thank you for the time. peter harrell joining us on msnbc. >> thank you. the trump administration claims there's a crime wave, but there is not. we're running the numbers on police fatalities and crime rates across the country. we're going to explain by some measures things seem to be getting better. stay with us. you're watching "velshi & ruhle" on msnbc. ion... so why wouldn't you take something for the most important part of you...
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♪ in the last two years, america's seen a tragic rise in violent crime. >> today, we are fighting a multi-fought battle. an increase in violent crime significantly. >> crime and the gangs and the drugs that have stolen too many lives. this american carnage stops right here and stops right now. >> we likely heard it numerous times throughout the year,
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carnage. the president and his attorney saying it's gotten worse. the justice analysis showing overall crime and murder rate are down. let's look here at the data from the brennan center. down 1.8% in largest cities. down 2.7%. that would mean 2017 had the second lowest crime rate since 1990. when you focus that analysis to 30 largest cities that reduction even down greater, 7.7%. and police deaths by guns. 44 in 2017. 2016, it was 66. one more piece of data here from "the washington post." police involved. right now, 2017, 971. of course a few days left here in the year 2017. last year, 963. the year before that, that fatality number stood at 995. joining me now is cedric
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alexander, the deputy mayor of new york. and served as president of national black law enforcement executives. and with me here, ari melbourne. you've written about this for the website, ari, what accounts for the downturn we've seen here in the last couple years? >> the short answer, we don't know about the decline of officers killed on duty by gunfire. that's on a report today. and we spoke to families of officers who were killed this year, and that number that you mentioned, down to 44, which includes eight ambush attacks which includes less from the prior year, we've seen those numbers fluctuate year to year. we also have a ticket of so many of these faces that we can get to reflect on who these people are. there you see it, these are men and women from around the entire country, each of those people died in the line of duty by
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gunfire this year. i'll share one of the officer's family members i spoke to, detective miosotis familia, she was in her patrol car and shot in the head. her family told me, look there is a certain point of respect that's important here. her sister telling us behind that badge, underneath the blue, they're human beings, they're people that have families. so, that's the human side of so much what we hear from officers who serve. the broader point which our colleague will speak to is how crime fluctuates overall in the united states. and there is outside of a few places like chicago, there is a general trend downward that is obviously positive. >> cedric alexander, let me ask you about the perception. we hear a lot about chicago and certain other cities here. explain that disconnect when we look at the averages nationally
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and what we see other places? >> one thing for certain, we can't defy the science. there's science out there that's been out there some time now, that violence crime across this country is going down. we cannot deny that. of course, there's a lot of work still to be done. but i think what's important to note here is that in many cities across this country, like chicago, baltimore, las vegas and others, what they have done over the last number of years, and particularly during the obama administration there is opportunity for those departments to engage with the federal government within the justice department and seek out assistance whether through collaborative agreement, to some extreme, consent decrees or just reach out and ask for support. how do we better build relationships in our communities. and in addition, how do we better police, write new policies, train, engage our communities, become part of -- to become part of crime-fighting in communities. and in many of those cities, what you will see, over the last
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period of time, and this is being clearly reported by news and their data analysis, is that we're seeing a reduction in police-involved shootings. and in addition, we also see reduction in violence crime. so i think it's very important to note that science cannot be defied whatsoever. however, we have a current white house administration who states that we're going to step away from the type of things that really has helped to reduce crime in this country. and consent decrees, or collaborative agreements are seeking help from the doj is not of importance. but it is an of extreme importance and there's been science to support that. >> ari, get in here. >> i was going to add, to echo what he's saying there, and what is so unusual about the trump administration, typically, when you see these kind of statistics, you get people in government taking credit for it. much like when the economy is good to take credit for it.
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so when safety is improving and good, they usually take credit for it and say isn't this great. what we we have is a president who seems more focused on telling people that crime is scary than taking credit for what the facts say which is crime is down. >> cedric alexander, let me ask you about the role that governments are doing working with another city, cities doing better and cities doing worse. are they communicating with each other because of the national fact that we've seen this change to rhetoric? >> well, i think what you're seeing and still seeing to this day, if we go back and i'm not trying to make an attempt to compare administrations here. they both have different philosophies. but what i am saying in supporting is the fact that during the previous administration, what you saw was a concerted effort across this country by many police departments, both large and small who adopted many of the 21st century principles and
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utilized them in their communities to bridge those relationships. so when that occurs and you're able to develop and enhance those relationships between police and community there becomes a lesson of threat by community perception of their police department and police are safer. and to me, that's critically important because you have men and women out there every day protecting communities across this country. and whatever we can do to build those relationships that lessen the likelihood of a citizen being hurt. and police officers being hurt and there's science to support it, we have to stand by it. >> let me ask you, you did such a fine job here, look at the 44 people who lost their lives. sean anderson, one of them from east baton rouge. how representative is that case, when you look at all 44 with one another, how similar are the circumstances when you look at the way in which they died? >> we saw a lot of different stories. because ambushes are down.
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what we saw in baton rouge and other parts of the country where, we understand they got attention but were not typical. the most combmon thing we saw i reporting to families, officer going to the scene of a crime, escalating quickly and taking gunfire. and it is a contrast to something which also is important, which we cover the stories where police use of dpors force is questioned or people say maybe there was too much force used. we've seen is that in chicago, again with cases in controversy, where prosecutors say there was excessive force and that will be decided in a court of law. what we see in the pattern of the question is, a lot of other cases where a life could not be saved. we covered one case where an individual barricaded himself inside. and officer surrounded them. tragically, that person decided to shoot from the home. and killed an officer with a gunshot. we saw a lot of those kind of
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cases. and every time you cover them, it's a reminder at the end of the year, as we reflect, on just how much sacrifice and service goes into all of these officers those who tragically choose heir lives and those who face that risk. >> extraordinary, from nbc.com. thank you for information and time as well. tax day months away, but the new tax bill has changed the game. now, some homeowners could save a lot of money if they file within the next three days. we're going to tell you how to pay some of your taxes early and if that makes sense for you. stay with us. you're watching msnbc. hi, i'm the internet! you know what's difficult?
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welcome back. with the republican tax plan signed into law by president trump, many property owners in high-tax states like new york, new jersey and california are rushing to try to prepay their taxes to keep the benefits under the old system. you'll only benefit if you pay more than $10,000 in state and local taxes. the governors of the states of new york and new jersey have both signed to allow residents to prepay, but there are questions whether taxes can be deducted. in many cases you need to make less than $240,000. by the irs, your 2018 property taxes must be assessed and the payment must be made before january. everyone's financial situation will be different so it's worth talking to your tax preparer to
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check and see if any of these situations apply to you and if, in fact, your taxes are deductible. we're live in greenville, new york, the town where people are coming to pay their taxes. eric, how confident are folks that they know what they're doing? i know there is a lot of sense that the irs is confused trying to figure this stuff out because of when this tax bill was passed. how confident are those you're talking to? >> reporter: it depends who i'm talking to. some said they did not talk to their tax preparer, they're showing up and asking, how much do i owe, can i pay it right now? people coming up to them with their bill and saying, what can i pay from this bill because some of these taxes are local to the town and the village which they can pay. some of the taxes are more for westchester county. those are assessed by the county office, and those they can't prepay because they don't know what that bill is going to be for next year. so there is some amount of confusion. a lot of people also said, i don't want to take a chance on
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mailing in a prepayment check so i'm coming here today to do it in person to get that receipt. i've seen people come in here with wheelchairs, with crutches, they've got folding chairs to wait in line. it's havoc out here. back to you, david. >> i tried to explain that as loosely as i could, but this is accounting, it's taxes, it's complicated. what do folks have to figure out exactly? in other words, there are a few days left here in the year. that deadline looms. what do they need to figure out before january 1st? >> reporter: the first thing you need to have is an actual bill that says here's how much you owe for next year. a school bill, a school property tax, that usually runs through the school year so you already know what that second semester bill is. you have that number. if you're trying to guess the taxes for a bill that was never sent to you, that's not going to work. so you need to have cash on hand, you need to pay it by the end of the year, which is why
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people aren't mailing it. the other thing you need to figure out for yourself, are you going to trigger some kind of tax that may not count unless you trigger an ant. you need to talk to your tax preparer. some say they don't have time for that, they're going to go ahead and pay their taxes. >> you're in new jersey. there are other high-tax states around the country. what do you think about them having government legislation to protect people from this thing that just passed? >> governor chris christie in new jersey publicly said, let's go ahead and authorize these prepayments to be allowed. the problem, though, the states aren't the ones that say how much you owe in property taxes, it's the local governments that tell you. yes, we'll allow it, but it's on the local governments to figure out what those bills are.
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some towns hurried up and figured out those amounts so people could pay, but other towns did not have the ability to come up with it that quickly. time now for monumental americans, people who may be deserving of a statue of their own. today it's bernice haydu born in new jersey in 1920. in 1944 she joined the women's air force service pilots, known as the wasps and became the first woman to fly in the air force. in 1977 she lobbied for wasps to be recognized as vet raspberries. in 2009 she was one of the three surviving wasps to receive the congressional gold medal from president obama.
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thanks for watching this hour of msnbc. i'll see you back here at n aft. reportedly preparing a campaign to go after michael flynn as a self-serving liar if he accuses the president of any wrongdoing. if that were to happen, it would be a departure from the tone the president has so far been
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striking. >> well, i feel badly for general flynn. i feel very badly. he's led a very strong life. and oh, roy. unsuccessful candidate roy moore files a last-minute complaint alleging election fraud. this just hours before alabama officials are set to certify that state's senate election result. >> i think it's ridiculous. i'm sure people will assert that i'm a strong republican but i did not support roy moore and he'll concede the election. >> it's time to move on. really. his day in the sun is over. and a tax to grind. americans lining up at tax collectors' offices around the country in a mad rush to prepay their property taxes before that

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